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The number of fines dished out to cyclists for riding on Norfolk’s pavements has plummeted over the past three years, new figures have shown.

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The statistics, which were revealed through a Freedom Of Information request to Norfolk police show that in 2011, just 26 cyclists were hit with fines after being caught riding on pavements, of which 25 were paid.

In 2009, 172 cyclists were issued with fines for riding on pavements, of which 160 were paid, eight were cancelled and four were prosecuted.

The figure fell in 2010, with 46 offences, of which 44 were paid, one was cancelled and one was prosecuted.

But Norfolk police insisted they were still targeting the issue, with a number of crackdowns on cyclists launched following concerns raised by members of the community – particularly in the Norwich area.

Police said there have been a number of near-miss incidents reported where pedestrians have almost been knocked over by passing cyclists riding on the pavement.

A police spokesman said: “It is important to make sure cyclists are aware of the law and that cycling on pavements can be dangerous for other users.

“Where issues are raised we will continue carry out high-visibility patrols in order to educate and increase awareness among cyclists about the dangers of such behaviour.

“Those found to be breaking the law can expect to receive a warning and safety advice and if they are persistent they will be issued with a £30 fixed penalty notice.”

Norwich North MP Chloe Smith earlier this year urged cyclists to stick to the roads after complaints from families over cyclists on pavements.

She said Salhouse Road, near the Open Academy, and the pavements around the roundabout at the Brickmakers pub in Sprowston Road were particular trouble spots.

She started a campaign calling for safer cycling in Norwich, based on five key points - that cyclists must respect pedestrians; that they should demand respect from drivers; that they should get confident enough to cycle on roads and seek training if needed; that cyclists should wear a helmet and that they should use lights when it is dawn, dusk or dark.

Labour councillors earlier this year organised a protest in Magdalen Street in Norwich, over cyclists who ride on pavements, despite signs which warn them doing so could land them with a £30 fine.

Following that demonstration, Sewell ward city councillor Julie Brociek-Coulton told the Evening News: “The statistics we got showed that this is a dangerous problem.

“We found 33 cyclists on the pathway and 21 cyclists going the wrong way down a one-way street in little over an hour. We now plan to do this on a regular basis in the future.”

Suffolk police issued 70 fixed penalty notices in 2009, but that number fell to 22 in 2010 and 12 in 2011.

dan.grimmer@archant.co.uk

65 comments

  • The inconsiderate cyclist can be seen everywhere in Lowestoft. In Denmark Road the council wasted a lot of money installing a cycle path on the south side of the street - It is now the safest place for pedestrians as it is only a minority of cyclists who bother to use it. Many cyclists who want to be given consideration as road users do not observe the laws of the road - at junctions or red lights they dodge onto the pavements to avoid the wait and then back to the road. They routinely ride their bikes across the pedestrian crossings - often cutting up the pedestrians when they reach the other pavement = and what happens - sweet fa. The police - ever more thinly stretched will argue with some justification that they have more important matters to deal with - to my mind we let the small things go and they escalate as they have here into a major problem. I have an overgrown hedge in front of my house that has save me from injury many times as I step out onto the pavment - the cyclist may not have to avoid med - but he does have to avoid my hedge... I do not intend to cut it back until the pavement outside my house returns to 100% pedestrian usage. http:thoughtsofanancientanarchist.blogspot.co.uk201111are-cyclists-above-law-discuss.html

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    Ken J

    Tuesday, July 3, 2012

  • "Crazy" is correct in that the law in some circumstances does not prohibit cycling on other than the road. This explains it in part. http:www.guardian.co.ukenvironmentbike-blog2011jul28cycling-pavement-offence. However, in general terms it is an offence with a £30 Fixed Penalty Notice. I have no objections to well-thought-out AND MARKED shared pedestrian and cycle spaces, and it is a shame that more work isn't done to create these. What is really annoying is to be walking on a pavement, alongside a road on which is clearly marked a wide and convenient cycle lane, only to have cyclists roar up behind you on the pavement. I might add that offenders range from small children to old folks who ought to know better.

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    T Doff

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • @IT Man - cars driving on pavements is not unknown in certain areas of Norwich.......

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    expat

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • What a ridiculous comment! the path is for pedestrians, it may have had a cycle section added to it but its still a footpath, so you cant use the road, you move on to the path, where do the pedestrians then go?

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    CraigC

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • The article states that the Brickmakers roundabout and Salhouse road have been particular "trouble spots". Hardly surprising that some cyclists would choose to mount the pavement given the sheer volume,speed and bad driving which seems to take place at both locations (Brickmakers especially). I'm not condoning it by the way. Also, given the very nature that you don't need any legislative paper work or training to ride a bicycle, as already stated by one or two other posts, it does encourage other people than the daily commuter to jump on a pushbike and go for a spin with no real road sense or adequate fitness levels to cope with cycling on today's roads. I can only imagine it must be quite a shock to the system on your maiden voyage after twenty years behind the wheel of a car. All because you're on a bicycle, it doesn't necessarily mean you're a cyclist and sometimes cyclists are their own worst enemies but I guarantee you, I'll see more cars doing more truly dangerous and illegal things behind the wheel on my 14 mile round commute that will never be reported or even noticed by most than you ever will a cyclist.

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    frank young

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • @ Frank Young - many many vehicles do you see pass through red lights, ride up the one way street the wrong way and over take on the left handside by junctions? Only last week a cyclist undertook me and rode through the red light at a pedestrian crossing through the people walking over it. He broke 3 serious traffic laws in 10 seconds, put his life in danger and those around him and for what....so the vehicles could over take him again (very safe). Using pavements to ride on is not acceptable, they are for pedestrians not cycles, the two mixed is no better than vechicles and cycles. It's time the coppers nabbed a few of the worst and put them on foot for a while so they can experiance the problems they cause.

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    KeithS

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • The article states that the Brickmakers roundabout and Salhouse road have been particular "trouble spots". Hardly surprising that some cyclists would choose to mount the pavement given the sheer volume,speed and bad driving which seems to take place at both locations (Brickmakers especially). I'm not condoning it by the way. Also, given the very nature that you don't need any legislative paper work or training to ride a bicycle, as already stated by one or two other posts, it does encourage other people than the daily commuter to jump on a pushbike and go for a spin with no real road sense or adequate fitness levels to cope with cycling on today's roads. I can only imagine it must be quite a shock to the system on your maiden voyage after twenty years behind the wheel of a car. All because you're on a bicycle, it doesn't necessarily mean you're a cyclist and sometimes cyclists are their own worst enemies but I guarantee you, I'll see more cars doing more truly dangerous and illegal things behind the wheel on my 14 mile round commute that will never be reported or even noticed by most than you ever will a cyclist.

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    frank young

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • No, I don't mind kids on the pavement but adults who throw down their bike and threaten me with violence, just for looking at him, is a bit much. I'm talking about St Augustines which is one-way now so people steam down the hill into the city on the pavement with little regard for foot sloggers.

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    oldowl

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • I find that the rule mirror, signal, manoeuvre is not only a must in my car ,on my bike but also a definate must whilst walking ,the only problem is holding the mirror while holding both my shopping bags.Perhaps I can rig up some headgear for a rear view mirror

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    perry dohh

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • Funny how those who are opposed to cyclists using the pavement always cite 'Safety' as a reason and are perfectly happy for cyclists to to put their lives at risk. Dont tar all cyclists with the same brush, most use the pavements perfectly safely. Cycling on the roads is extremely dangerous a £50 fine or fatal injury, tough choise. Also the law is actually ambiguous when it comes to this, there is no blanket ban.

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    Crazy

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • I agree Grumpygramp, unfortunately cycling for many years now has been seen as a "leisure" activity and not a viable means of transportation despite the cycle2work scheme. The cost of a decent made bicycle is still beyond the reach of many when they have a tin box sitting in the drive bleeding it's owner dry each day. Hence the emphasis is always on the car, it's maintenance, it's thirst and the apparent up-keep of what's perceived as it's roads (despite the pedestrian, horse and cart, cyclist and even motorcyclist being around far longer).

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    frank young

    Wednesday, July 4, 2012

  • its a fact that the police dont have the number of officers to deal with this, but they do have occassional community police come up Magdalen Street, they have to be thanked for putting in an appearance, the problem is they dont give ticketts, even though it is clearly sign posted that riding on the path is an offence, they still only take names and addresses, waste of time, they say they will give a ticket for folks that have a bad attitude or repeatedly offend, so do i get to rob a bank but get away with it if im nice when the police get there? or if i promise to only fo it the once?

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    CraigC

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • Riding on pathways is not acceptable and as a dog-walker we frequently have to give way to cyclists on local pavements or risk getting caught up. What gets me though is the cyclists that are fully geared up to ride on the roads - high-vis vests, helmets etc - then they go and ride on the pavements?! Walk on the pavements or cycle on the roads - its your choice.

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    sprowstongal

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • The funny thing about all this is that an absurd amount of money is going to be spent in Lowestoft to provide 2 new "pedestriancyclist" bridges to promote cycling and walking to work. I can't wait to see how they will segregate the 2 fractions. I hope there will be lots of lifebelts on the bridges!!!!!!!

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    Grumpygramp

    Wednesday, July 4, 2012

  • A common cause of Cycling accidents are due to a cyclist riding off a pavement and into a car. Always quicker and easier to blame the car driver though.

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    Horatio

    Thursday, July 5, 2012

  • The problem of people riding their cycles on the pavement is a cause for concern as are inconsiderate road users. Unfortunately, the answers as to what to do are more complex. Ultimately, to enforce the law requires the police to take action. However, the police are stretched so thin and are now so under resourced that it isn't realistically possible to expect them to devote the time it takes to deal with this problem. As for building cycle lanes or widening roads does anyone know where the money will come from? However, perhaps the greatest problem is cyclists themselves. How many of them wear fluorescent clothing or cycling helmets? How many have lights on their bikes after dark and how many of them have completed any sort of training? Is it any wonder that so many of them use the pavements. Perhaps all cyclists should have to sit a mandatory test and wear protective head gear before we get too worked up over those who abuse the rules and ride on the pavements?

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    Douglas McCoy

    Tuesday, July 3, 2012

  • Perhaps they would like to go and have a look at all the people riding on the footpaths in Bradwell. Adults & kids and they don't give a fig about pedestrians. Or are they too busy persecuting motorists ?.

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    "V"

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • @Keith.S, I didn't say I condone cycling on the pavement (or indeed jumping red lights) and also stated that some cyclists "..are their own worst enemy.." just like some car drivers are their own. It is merely a comment from my own perspective drawn from experience as a cyclist, car driver and motorcyclist over the years. I think if all road users accepted that they didn't have any more right than anybody else to use the roads we'd all be a damned sight happier about it. Now, lets talk road tax shall we?

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    frank young

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • I was in Norwich on a short visit last week, two minor confrontations with young cyclists on the pavement, not a problem normally but there was no space because cars were parked on the pavement. Nobody seems to worry about this or the green spaces and corners which are nowadays used as a car park (on the heartsease estate anyway). I can understand why people cycle on the path; I'm an experienced cyclist who does at least 5000 km a year but there's no way I'd cycle in Norwich.

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    wil

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • Pavements if wide enough should be split into 2, so pedestrians can use on half and the other half can be used by cyclists, Cyclists are a hazard on the roads,at least cyclists have been hit and killed on Norwich roads this year so far,

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    Footyboy16

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • Every day I see people cycling down Magdelen Street either on the pavement or into the oncoming traffic toward Anglia Sq. On St Benedict Street it is a constant issue. With regards to Brickmakers roundabout....heres a thought...get off your bike and walk across the road instead of putting people in danger by cycling on the pavement. It is illegal to cycle on the pavements unless it is marked as a cyle path (and a couple of other exceptions) so fine the lot of them I say. Repeat offenders then take the bikes off them and give them to charity. I am a motorist and cyclist and I get really frustrated by fellow motorists and cyclists clearly breaking the law and for one I want to see more powers given to the police to sort both out.

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    Adey

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • This headline just makes me mad, the way its worded it looks like the amount of offenders has gone down, it hasnt they just dont get tickets! its still as bad as ever, they dont even see the signs half the time. Having said that we do have a few very good people that get to the top of the street and stop, and get off the bike and walk it, they should be thanked, i dont even have much of a problem with the ones the stand on the pedal and scoot the bike down the path, still essentially breaking the law but if a child steps out in front of them they should be able to stop and if any injury it will be minimal, the other idiots that go hell for leather should be ticketed straight away! sorry for the mass comments folks but i just feel this is a big issue, not just in Mag St but all over and it needs addressing, we used to be taught cycling proficiency at school, shame its idiots rule now!

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    CraigC

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • I passed a cycling test when I was nine, and have got a badge to prove it. I used to ride home from school on a cousin's cross bar when I was six. And I could bike a good bit of the ride to school no hands -we all used to do it , half a dozen 9 to 11 year olds, some of the bikes with two up. Stopped riding with no lights after getting a flea in the ear from the policeman who lived in the village. Those were the days.

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    Daisy Roots

    Tuesday, July 3, 2012

  • I have been trying to get something done about illegal cycling in the part of Suffolk where I live, and have written to everybody I can think of, from town and parish councils to the local MP. Even if they have the manners to respond, the argument is that "nothing can be done to enforce it"; even though people cycle on the pavement past the (occasionally-open) police station. It is worst when the second home owners and holidaymakers, many of whom don't appear to cycle in their places of residence, arrive to clutter up the place. I doubt that they would either be allowed or dare to cycle down the pavements of Oxford Street, yet they consider it quite all right to ride down the pavements of the local High Street. I should add that I am a lifelong cyclist and have never driven a car in my life, yet this infuriates me.

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    T Doff

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • Most of the comments r just silly really. Ur moanin bout ppl on bikes should be on road bt wat about people on mobility scooters they are even worse n equally dangetous as bikes so they should be on road too. Most kids on bikes are on pavements and if they go on roads its more dangerous for them as they don't think and they are the most who are on pavements whereas us adults if we see people on the pavement we move off on the road. I think mobility scooters should be on road as it still classed as a moving vehicle. N i think most comments are abit stupid makes my blood boil

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    jbkb

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • The article states that the Brickmakers roundabout and Salhouse road have been particular "trouble spots". Hardly surprising that some cyclists would choose to mount the pavement given the sheer volume,speed and bad driving which seems to take place at both locations (Brickmakers especially). I'm not condoning it by the way. Also, given the very nature that you don't need any legislative paper work or training to ride a bicycle, as already stated by one or two other posts, it does encourage other people than the daily commuter to jump on a pushbike and go for a spin with no real road sense or adequate fitness levels to cope with cycling on today's roads. I can only imagine it must be quite a shock to the system on your maiden voyage after twenty years behind the wheel of a car. All because you're on a bicycle, it doesn't necessarily mean you're a cyclist and sometimes cyclists are their own worst enemies but I guarantee you, I'll see more cars doing more truly dangerous and illegal things behind the wheel on my 14 mile round commute that will never be reported or even noticed by most than you ever will a cyclist.

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    frank young

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • I get around a fair bit and it only seems to be a problem in North Norwich. I wonder if that's because of Lakenham Way?

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    oldowl

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • So Chloe Smith started a campaign for safer cycling? We have complained about this problem on Mag St many times, our local councillors have been great in making an issue of this but we've never Miss Smith down here doing anything about it, and im sure if she did appear it would be for a photo shoot and with such a parade around it that no one would dare offend as it would be too obvious they would get made an example of, and that would mean Chloe stopping and addressing these cyclists, with the kind of attitude we have had in the past from these offenders i would love to see that! Last week I saw a 'lady' ride through a red light, with her mobile phone in her hand, over on to Magdalen Street, she used the pedestrian crossing to get over the road (still riding her bike) then went wrong way down the one way and then when a car came towards her straight up on the path, almost riding in to me as she mounted the path, still with her phone in her hand, i think texting, when i calmly said, sorry am i in your way, she let out a mouthful of fs and cs as is i was wrong! Someone will get seriousely hurt, and if its one of my kids that gets hit there will be a great deal of surgery needed to remove the bike from the riders a$$

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    CraigC

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • @Keith.S, I didn't say I condone cycling on the pavement (or indeed jumping red lights) and also stated that some cyclists "..are their own worst enemy.." just like some car drivers are their own. It is merely a comment from my own perspective drawn from experience as a cyclist, car driver and motorcyclist over the years. I think if all road users accepted that they didn't have any more right than anybody else to use the roads we'd all be a damned sight happier about it. Now, lets talk road tax shall we?

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    frank young

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • LOL @ the unpaid fines.....how does that work? A motorist doesn't have the choice of not paying any fine they are given. You can take to the road (or pavement) on a cycle with no training or insurance, that says it all to me. It's about time the standard of cycling was controlled and insurance a nessesity. Not all cyclists abuse the road and people around them, but nor do all vehicle drivers, but they all have to pay for insurance and pass a test.

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    KeithS

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • Would it be fair to say that some of the pavement cyclists are those who fear for their lives on the road because of traffic conditions, and as taxpayers they might be entitled to some consideration of their needs? And also fair to say that those who blatantly ignore traffic rules, red lights, oneway systems as well as riding on pavements, are most often young and male? The same group that has the highest accident rate when driving cars? As the law stands it is illegal even for small children to ride their cycles on pavements. On the one hand governments and councils tax us fine us and generally brow beat us about saving energy but on the other there does not seem to be a national policy on making best use of roadside verges and footways to improve safety for pedestrians and cyclists and to encourage cycling as a green alternative to the car

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    Daisy Roots

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • The question really is "why do cyclists use the pavements?" The answer is that the roads are full of idiot, incompetent drivers who speed and like to target cyclists. Sort the motorists and get bikes back on the road!!!!

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    Grumpygramp

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • Frank....we get your point! lol Oldowl - I know what you mean....those people that come down St Augustines beggar belief....there is a perfectly good one way system going down Magpie Road and round the corner onto, heavens above, A CYCLE PATH! which goes all the way round to Halfords or through Anchor Quay up to the city. But no it's too far to bike round legally so lets cycle into oncoming traffic or force pedestrians out of the way on the paths!

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    Adey

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • The police are not in the slightest bit interested in this problem. It will take a serious accident before they start to sit up and realise the severity of the situation. The approach that they are taking is to take names and tell the cyclists that they are being naughty and it is wrong. Let's drive a car down the pavement and see what happens then!

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    IT Man

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • The article states that the Brickmakers roundabout and Salhouse road have been particular "trouble spots". Hardly surprising that some cyclists would choose to mount the pavement given the sheer volume,speed and bad driving which seems to take place at both locations (Brickmakers especially). I'm not condoning it by the way. Also, given the very nature that you don't need any legislative paper work or training to ride a bicycle, as already stated by one or two other posts, it does encourage other people than the daily commuter to jump on a pushbike and go for a spin with no real road sense or adequate fitness levels to cope with cycling on today's roads. I can only imagine it must be quite a shock to the system on your maiden voyage after twenty years behind the wheel of a car. All because you're on a bicycle, it doesn't necessarily mean you're a cyclist and sometimes cyclists are their own worst enemies but I guarantee you, I'll see more cars doing more truly dangerous and illegal things behind the wheel on my 14 mile round commute that will never be reported or even noticed by most than you ever will a cyclist.

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    frank young

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • i completely agree that the roads are dangerous, i have a shop on Magdalen Street, on one night alone riding home which is ten minutes away, i was almost knocked off 3 times by bad drivers, but i didnt then ride on the path, why should i, the bad drivers need to be addressed, if your a cyclist you cant just take it upon yourself to then make yourself a hazard to the pedestrians

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    CraigC

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • The problem of people riding their cycles on the pavement is a cause for concern as are inconsiderate road users. Unfortunately, the answers as to what to do are more complex. Ultimately, to enforce the law requires the police to take action. However, the police are stretched so thin and are now so under resourced that it isn't realistically possible to expect them to devote the time it takes to deal with this problem. As for building cycle lanes or widening roads does anyone know where the money will come from? However, perhaps the greatest problem is cyclists themselves. How many of them wear fluorescent clothing or cycling helmets? How many have lights on their bikes after dark and how many of them have completed any sort of training? Is it any wonder that so many of them use the pavements. Perhaps all cyclists should have to sit a mandatory test and wear protective head gear before we get too worked up over those who abuse the rules and ride on the pavements?

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    Douglas McCoy

    Tuesday, July 3, 2012

  • i only cycle on the path if im on my mtb but i will stop when people stop walking in the cycle lanes

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    cycling james

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • The real point here is that if the roads were made safer by removing the incompetent, dangerous drivers then there would be no need for cyclists to have to ride on the pavements to be safe. Get cyclists back on the roads by getting tougher on the idiots behind the steering wheel.

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    Grumpygramp

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • Frank Young is right about going from car to cycle-on more than one occasion I have had a slip of the brain and gone to look in the rear view mirror when I have been cycling...

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    Daisy Roots

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • If the Police were to spend more time making the roads safer by penalising the dangerous law-breakers in cars then they wouldn't have to worry about cyclists on the pavements. Responsible cyclists on pavements are not a problem and they should always give precedence to pedestrians. There are a number of shared footcycle paths and these work well where everyone knows they are shared - lets have more of them. I encourage my children to cycle on pavements where road conditions are dangerous and will continue to do so. Anyone who thinks roads are safe for cyclists, even with helmets and hi-vis jackets, obviously never cycles.

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    Grumpygramp

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • if the truth were known these cyclists only got a fine because they had been involved in an accident and had to pass thier details to the police otherwise it would probably have been an AKA name & address.

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    i am mostly wrong??

    Wednesday, July 4, 2012

  • If there is any doubt about how safe cycling on the road is, please refer to the latest Evening News artclce regarding Toilets at Earlham Cemetary. Sorrry, but I'm going to continue using pavements where I think my safety is at risk on the roads. I dont abuse pedestrians, I dont cycle aggresively, there are idiots in all walks of life, dont brand everyone with the same brush.

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    Crazy

    Wednesday, July 4, 2012

  • The problem of rogue cyclists is not confined to Norwich, nor to pavements. Nor even to towns. Earlier in the year I was driving from the Pulham Market roundabout, off the A140, along the B1134, towards the Tivetshall Level Crossing. The weather was dull, with a mist reducing visibility severely, so I had my car lights on and, fortunately, was driving at less than 30mph. On two separate occasions, during the same journey, large groups of cyclists, probably a dozen of more, suddenly appeared out of the mist heading in the other direction, riding quite quickly and up to 4 abreast, light coloured clothing, no lights. That is 4 abreast on a road only just wide enough for two vehicles to pass side by side! I was able to see them only when they were less than about 50 metres away. It was a miracle that I didn't hit any of them. They were clearly making no allowance whatsoever for the road and weather conditions. A short time later I caught up with a group of three, heading the same direction as me. Again, light coloured clothes, no lights. Without a single glance behind, with no indication whatsoever, they suddenly turned sharp right into Moulton Road, right in front of me. The road into which they turned is to the right off a left hand bend. If there had been oncoming traffic it would have had no warning at all of these badly behaved cyclists. From the manner of dress, gear and riding of all those cyclists they were obviously pretty keen cyclists, probably members of a cycling club. However, not one of them displayed the slightest bit of common sense and no doubt if any driver had hit any of them they would have tried to put the blame on the driver and would not have accepted any criticism of their own road behaviour!

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    jayprime

    Tuesday, July 3, 2012

  • @CraigC - The wording of the headline is accurate. It does not imply that there are fewer offenders. You have inferred that it does.

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    point du jour

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • Question : "Why do cyclists ride on the pavements?" Answer : "Because it is too dangerous to ride on the roads." Remedy : Get the dangerous, inconsiderate drivers off the roads. Simple really. Problem solved.

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    Grumpygramp

    Tuesday, July 3, 2012

  • Thank you CraigC , I will. :) As a fit but rather elderly cyclist, equipped with hi-viz jacket, a helmet and lights, I know that those riding on paths are a source of irritation to drivers and pedestrians. However, I have to confess to riding (cautiously) on the path myself in two particular locations in my area - one a narrow bridge over a railway and the other on a road with two blind corners close together. I do this because of the many drivers who are speeding, or allowing insufficient space when overtaking, or both. There are poor attitudes exhibited by all sorts of road users and greater tolerance and more responsible behaviour is required all round. I would not wish to see any measures put in place which would discourage people from getting out of their cars and cycling. Proper separated cycle tracks with a smooth well-maintained surface are the answer, not a couple of feet of débris-filled lane marking in the gutter.

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    point du jour

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • Well said IT Man, I have had several near misses recently. Mind you, I won't give way to a cyclist on the pavement, and have lost count the number of times I've been sworn at! Lycralouts, a good name for them. The police,have we got any in Norwich?

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    biglingers

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • Never mind Norwich, P.C. plod needs to about early in Dereham to catch paperboys cycling the wrong way down the High Street. I stopped one way back in 2007, and all I got was a torrent of abuse.

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    Harry Brown

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • Daisy Roots has applied common sense to this. And it's because of people like IT Man that many cyclists even consider riding on the pavement. As a driver and cyclist I see examples of driving on a daily basis that are as bad as any I've seen anywhere in the World - speeding, jumping red lights, unsafe overtaking, drivers on the phone, appalling road manners, tailgating and so on. As a cyclist I've been forced off Norfolk and Suffolk's roads many times by local drivers of all ages and had more close shaves with cars than I care to remember - the last as recently as last week. In the interest of getting at least my 'three-score-and ten' I ride on the pavement regularly, giving due respect to pedestrians of course. CarVanTruck v's bike - no contest; Police knocking on my door to give me a reprimand and fine v's Police knocking on my door to tell my wife she can come to see me in the chapel of rest - no brainer.

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    wallywalnut

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • Well said IT Man, I have had several near misses recently. Mind you, I won't give way to a cyclist on the pavement, and have lost count the number of times I've been sworn at! Lycralouts, a good name for them. The police,have we got any in Norwich?

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    biglingers

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • @point du jour, well you made your point du jour, well done, do you have anything to add to the actual point du jour in the topic or you just want to make a random point lol??

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    CraigC

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • This headline just makes me mad, the way its worded it looks like the amount of offenders has gone down, it hasnt they just dont get tickets! its still as bad as ever, they dont even see the signs half the time. Having said that we do have a few very good people that get to the top of the street and stop, and get off the bike and walk it, they should be thanked, i dont even have much of a problem with the ones the stand on the pedal and scoot the bike down the path, still essentially breaking the law but if a child steps out in front of them they should be able to stop and if any injury it will be minimal, the other idiots that go hell for leather should be ticketed straight away! sorry for the mass comments folks but i just feel this is a big issue, not just in Mag St but all over and it needs addressing, we used to be taught cycling proficiency at school, shame its idiots rule now!

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    CraigC

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • When I was a lad a policeman would go out of their way to stop you riding on the path, now it just seems that is considered acceptable. I have seen many near misses in the city particularly in London Street and the fact that the cyclists even think that they can mix with pedestrians and shout the odds when people are 'in the way' seems remarkable in itself. This would not happen in a work place area where such a mix of pedestrian and any form of transport would be deemed unsafe. There used to be bylaws that dealt with this, have they disappeared or just not enforced anymore? Skateboards are just as lethal, especially to a small child running around in a pedestrianised are. Zero tolerance would get my vote.

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    Mike Jones

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • I am another pedestrian who has had near misses with cyclists who ride on the path! At least cars stop at pedestrian crossings when the red light is shown, but I have had occaisons when cyclists think that they are ok to carry on riding through, this is on Aylsham Road near the Co-op. The police are about I can assure you because one drove past me on Aylsham Road on Saturday and low and behold so did a cyclist on the path! I think the PC had his blinkers on that day!

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    wombat

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • I'm partially sighted and walk to and from work. My biggest problem is cyclists on pavements. The kids are no problem, they stop or at least slow down, the ones who think they have right of way is the adults. I have been hit several times often leaving bruises and cuts despite the fact that I carry a white sysmbol cane. Having said that I have also been caught by cars coming onto the pavement, cars parking on pavements etc etc. I have no objections to cyclists using pavements (bearing in mind how the roads are) as long as they remember who has right of way and they slow down The problem is they don't think about anyone except themselves, most don't even apologise.

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    mclaf

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • This headline just makes me mad, the way its worded it looks like the amount of offenders has gone down, it hasnt they just dont get tickets! its still as bad as ever, they dont even see the signs half the time. Having said that we do have a few very good people that get to the top of the street and stop, and get off the bike and walk it, they should be thanked, i dont even have much of a problem with the ones the stand on the pedal and scoot the bike down the path, still essentially breaking the law but if a child steps out in front of them they should be able to stop and if any injury it will be minimal, the other idiots that go hell for leather should be ticketed straight away! sorry for the mass comments folks but i just feel this is a big issue, not just in Mag St but all over and it needs addressing, we used to be taught cycling proficiency at school, shame its idiots rule now!

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    CraigC

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • Cut police budgets, cut police numbers, & then complain that police are dealing with less minor crime!

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    The Judge

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • The problem of rogue cyclists is not confined to Norwich, nor to pavements. Nor even to towns. Earlier in the year I was driving from the Pulham Market roundabout, off the A140, along the B1134, towards the Tivetshall Level Crossing. The weather was dull, with a mist reducing visibility severely, so I had my car lights on and, fortunately, was driving at less than 30mph. On two separate occasions, during the same journey, large groups of cyclists, probably a dozen of more, suddenly appeared out of the mist heading in the other direction, riding quite quickly and up to 4 abreast, light coloured clothing, no lights. That is 4 abreast on a road only just wide enough for two vehicles to pass side by side! I was able to see them only when they were less than about 50 metres away. It was a miracle that I didn't hit any of them. They were clearly making no allowance whatsoever for the road and weather conditions. A short time later I caught up with a group of three, heading the same direction as me. Again, light coloured clothes, no lights. Without a single glance behind, with no indication whatsoever, they suddenly turned sharp right into Moulton Road, right in front of me. The road into which they turned is to the right off a left hand bend. If there had been oncoming traffic it would have had no warning at all of these badly behaved cyclists. From the manner of dress, gear and riding of all those cyclists they were obviously pretty keen cyclists, probably members of a cycling club. However, not one of them displayed the slightest bit of common sense and no doubt if any driver had hit any of them they would have tried to put the blame on the driver and would not have accepted any criticism of their own road behaviour!

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    jayprime

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • Question : "Why do cyclists ride on the pavements?" Answer : "Because it is too dangerous to ride on the roads." Remedy : Get the dangerous, inconsiderate drivers off the roads. Simple really. Problem solved.

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    Grumpygramp

    Tuesday, July 3, 2012

  • Divide the pavements into 2, half for pedistrians and half for Cyclists, out ot the way for cars and lorries, there have been 2 fatalities this year in Norwich so far..

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    Footyboy16

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • Crazy - I thoroughly agree with you. If the phone- using, speeding, lunch eating, map reading motorists were given a real deterent (like losing there licence for just one offence) instead of a smack on the wrist, maybe they would think twice before they continue to make the roads hazardous. Sort out the inconsiderate motorists and get bikes back on the road. We really are a soft nation, no wonder we are going downhill!!!

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    Grumpygramp

    Wednesday, July 4, 2012

  • So Chloe Smith started a campaign for safer cycling? We have complained about this problem on Mag St many times, our local councillors have been great in making an issue of this but we've never Miss Smith down here doing anything about it, and im sure if she did appear it would be for a photo shoot and with such a parade around it that no one would dare offend as it would be too obvious they would get made an example of, and that would mean Chloe stopping and addressing these cyclists, with the kind of attitude we have had in the past from these offenders i would love to see that! Last week I saw a 'lady' ride through a red light, with her mobile phone in her hand, over on to Magdalen Street, she used the pedestrian crossing to get over the road (still riding her bike) then went wrong way down the one way and then when a car came towards her straight up on the path, almost riding in to me as she mounted the path, still with her phone in her hand, i think texting, when i calmly said, sorry am i in your way, she let out a mouthful of fs and cs as is i was wrong! Someone will get seriousely hurt, and if its one of my kids that gets hit there will be a great deal of surgery needed to remove the bike from the riders a$$

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    CraigC

    Monday, July 2, 2012

  • Guess again Grumpy, for the record I am visually impaired so your post is not only ill-thought, it is also ill-mannered.

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    Horatio

    Thursday, July 5, 2012

  • I can see both sides here-cycling on the road is well nigh impossible on some busy roads-especially those where cars are parked nose to tail along the kerbs.I have in mind some fairly narrow Norwich roads which have heavy traffic including buses.The deteriorating state of road edges mean cyclists have a nerve wracking and bone shaking ride. Councils could have done a great deal to help cyclists and pedestrians when more money was available-I think all of us could identify urban, suburban and village roads which have wide verges as well as pavements or wide pavements which could have been turned into combined cycle and pedestrian paths. Not every cyclist is an idiot and done properly it can work. This should have been a priority especially near schools or on identified commuting routes.

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    Daisy Roots

    Monday, July 2, 2012

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